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Sniper 11:19 Thu Apr 14
Red card law change for denying goalscoring opportunity

Not sure what to think about this - I think the whole 'deliberate' element just gives a whole new level of uncertainty for refs to make things even more difficult. Players know the risk they are taking if they dive in on a player in these circumstances. The only change I would want to see is a penalty goal given (like a penalty try) when a player handles in the line - as that isn't denying an opportunity, it's denying a clear goal. But I still want them sent off for being a cheat.

Anyway, from the Beeb:

Denying a goalscoring opportunity: Red card rule relaxed by IFAB

Players who commit a foul to deny a goalscoring opportunity will no longer automatically be sent off, football's rule-making body has confirmed.

The previous 'triple-punishment' rule required a red card - and therefore a suspension - as well as the award of a penalty under those circumstances.

However, players committing accidental fouls that deny a goalscoring chance will now be cautioned instead.

But deliberate fouls will still incur a red card.

Those include holding, pulling or pushing, not playing the ball, serious foul play, violent conduct or deliberate handball in order to deny a goalscoring opportunity.

The change has been ratified by the International Football Association Board (IFAB) - a body made up of the four British football associations and Fifa - which decides on changes to the Laws of the Game.

It follows a comprehensive, 18-month review, led by former Premier League referee David Elleray.

Italy to trial video replays for penalties

Meanwhile, the IFAB has selected the Italian Football Federation to carry out a new trial of video replays.

The technology will be used to help referees decide whether a goal has been scored, whether a penalty should be awarded, whether a player should be sent off, or in cases of mistaken identity.

Italian Football Federation president Carlo Tavecchio said: "We were among the first supporters of using technology on the pitch and we believe we have everything required to offer our contribution to this important experiment."

Tests initially will be in private before moving to a live pilot phase with replay assistance by the 2017-18 season at the latest

bruuuno 11:37 Thu Apr 14
Re: Red card law change for denying goalscoring opportunity

Too late for tony gale unfortunately

:^) 11:39 Thu Apr 14
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Shit rule change. I bet we're the first to get fucked over from it too.

fraser 11:42 Thu Apr 14
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Great rule change, an accidental coming together or genuine attempt to win the ball shouldn't be punished with a red.

Texas Iron 11:45 Thu Apr 14
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18 months to decide on that...

hahaha

Sniper 11:46 Thu Apr 14
Re: Red card law change for denying goalscoring opportunity

The tony gale thing was just wrong in so many levels!

I can just see this creating more uncertainty. And cheating to try to make fouls look accidental!

:^) 11:48 Thu Apr 14
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As Sniper said, this will just open the game up for more interpetation for the ref.

They should have the least possible influence on a game as possible, as they are largely shit at it already.

fraser 11:52 Thu Apr 14
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Kouyate got sent off without even attempting a tackle, an accidental coming together as he tried to get out of the way. Yet you think it should still be a straight red?

:^) 12:01 Fri Apr 15
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I think the denying a goal scoring opportunity law is open to less mistakes than the refs interpretation of whether it was deliberate or not.

The refs should just be applying strict laws with little to no interpretation, as they have to much influence in outcomes from mistakes as it is.

I'd change the offside rule back to how it was and not have any first phase/second phase bollocks as well.

Sniper 12:02 Fri Apr 15
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Are you talking the Blackburn game Fraser? Because that red card was rescinded as he wasn't the last man and the player was going away from goal so not a clear goalscoring chance

Otherwise, if it's a foul, it's a foul and should be a free kick or ienakty and a red.

Or you'll start getting shit like players ire tending to fall over to 'accidentally' take a player out when clean through. It sliding in but saying 'I was aiming for the ball and hit the player by accident'. I think in these circumstances it's quite rare that someone does blatantly foul on purpose - that's usually reserved for stopping a break away or counter attack after a corner, usually by a team managed by mourinho

Jasnik 12:07 Fri Apr 15
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Willie Young that's all I'll say on the matter

fraser 12:21 Fri Apr 15
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Sniper. yes I am.

He was running back and clearly tried to get out of the way, wasn't even attempting to tackle him..and had the ball not run through to the keeper it wouldn't have been rescinded.

The rule was originally made for the incidents like Willie Young and Gabriel on AC at the weekend, clear attempts to cheat.

Honest Hammer 12:28 Fri Apr 15
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This is a shit rule change.

Imagine it's the first game at the O/S, it's 0-0 and our new international superstar striker goes clean through, he's about to pull the trigger just outside the box when a clumsy centre half fouls him in an attempt to win the ball.

Because it's not a deliberate foul (because he's made an attempt to get the ball) - he gets a booking. Free kick doesn't go in, at the end of the game the opposition get a corner, guess who pops up with the winner.

All a defender has to do now is try to win the ball, it doesn't matter if they don't win it, just make an attempt and they know the worst that'll happen is a booking.

RUBBISH.

Chigwell 12:34 Fri Apr 15
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Call me old fashioned but I don't see why something accidental (their word) should be punished at all. If it is accidental, how do you guard against it? You can't.

If the word was replaced with "reckless" or even " careless", it would at least be logical to penalise such an action. I can guard against being careless by taking more care.

Sniper 12:42 Fri Apr 15
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Agreed honest

Fraser - I would simply say IF it's a foul and IF it's denying a clear goalscoring opportunity then it should be a red. If its something wholly accidental, it may not even be a foul at all, but if it's deemed a coukd then tough

stoneman 12:55 Fri Apr 15
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Here is my idea.

Player is brought down in the area, referee gives a penalty.

If the team score the penalty the player gets a yellow card but if he misses then he gets sent off.

the coming of gary 1:35 Fri Apr 15
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attacking teams captain should be offered choice of red card OR penalty.
.

Baggins 1:42 Fri Apr 15
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The 'triple punishment' only applied if you were in the box and the foul resulted in a penalty and a red card.

So I assume this 'rule change' only applies to fouls in the box?

In which case it's really not that dramatic. How often do you see this type of thing even happen? Not very often at all.

David L 7:57 Fri Apr 15
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And it took Ellary 18 months to come up with that crock of vague shit? Proof if ever you needed it that all refs are cunts - even Harrow school teachers.

Private Dancer 8:05 Fri Apr 15
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That's us fucked then.

13 Brentford Rd 8:32 Fri Apr 15
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It's like our education system, keep fucking about with it for no good reason and then wonder why it's shit.

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